Listing of the Week: Our Pick of Cool Bozeman Area Cars, Trucks, SUVs for Sale

About Listing of the Week: The following listings are selected by Revolving Garage from non-affiliated internet sellers and are linked here for your information and entertainment. Revolving Garage makes no warranties or representations about the contents or availability of the selected listings. Please visit the links provided for listings details, information, and to contact sellers. All photos and listing details credited to seller. Note, links will not be actively managed/updated.

4/22/2021
Out of Focus: 2016 Ford Focus RS

The Details

Listing: Ford Focus RS
Make:
 Ford
Model: Focus RS
Year:
2016
Condition:
Used
Mileage:
8,300
VIN: Not provided
Seller:
Private Party via Craigslist
Location: Helena, MT
Details: Cool car, low miles, proper maintenance. We'd like to own it, but the listing has more yellow flags than a Raiders game.
Asking Price: $38,000

Revolving Garage's Take: Selling a car yourself is never easy. You know what's even harder? Selling a car your "not even sure you want to sell." To be clear, this looks like a sweet hot hatch that's been well cared for by a proud owner. If you're into it we absolutely encourage you to contact the owner. (Just don't ask if it is still for sale). With that, there is so much wrong with the way this car is marketed we thought it was a great example of how NOT to create a listing.

Sellers, starting your listing with "testing the waters," "don't need to sell" or "may just keep it" is another way of saying "just seeing if someone will overpay." We get the concept of seeing whether you can get your number, but here's how we do it: you don't need to say anything. Just don't sell it for less than you want. If we have a hard number in mind, we let any inquiring buyer know that info upfront when we talk: "Hello there, thanks for the interest. Before you come out I'd like to let you know I think this is a fair number and I'm not interested in taking less."

Another common mistake we see are draconian limits on when you'll show it, how you'll show it, or how you'll allow a test drive. At best the tone is off putting, at worst you create some serious liability questions. This seller requires someone to show up with $38,000 in cash in order to take a test drive. That's like a large backpack full of cash. It's totally unreasonable and should put off any potential buyer. How does this even work? Does the seller hold your cash while you drive and then deduct any damage? Do you forfeit it if someone side swipes you at not fault of your own? What about a rock chip? How does insurance contribute? This is just a bad idea all around.  Here's how we do it: we don't offer test drives to everyone. We feel out the buyer, and if we're comfortable, ask for a copy of the driver's license and proof of insurance (by phone pic). If the worst happens, you can sort it out without arguments over bags of cash. Better yet, the insurers will figure it out.

Here's a head scratcher: "Don't ask me it it is still for sale." What? Well, how do I know if it's still for sale? Also, why not? Isn't that like, the most important question to ask? That is absolutely the first thing out of our mouth every time we make an inquiry on a car: "Good morning, is the 2016 XYZ still for sale? Great, I'm interested and have a few questions..."

Pictures sell cars. You don't have to take pro photos, but you do have to actually show the car, and the interior. Take clear pictures of at least all four sides from a perpendicular angle, the interior, and the engine bay. Finally, include the VIN. It's not secret, it's posted in a visible place on your car. A listing without a VIN is a red flag to a knowledgeable buyer.

To be fair, there are few good things going on here too: info on maintenance, upfront discussion of a known flaw (the head gasket), discussion of any extras, clean title, status of mods, and a clear price. That's all helpful info.

This is a very cool car, in the best color, being sold by a passionate owner. If you like it, check out the listing and see if you can make a deal, and otherwise, use it as a chance to see how not to sell your car. But then again, maybe seller "doesn't even want to sell?" Good luck.

Full Listing Link:  https://bozeman.craigslist.org/cto/d/helena-2016-ford-focus-rs/7310171044.html

4/6/2021
Bozeman Essentials: 2005 Lexus GX 470

The Details

Listing Link: Lexus GX 470
Make: Lexus
Model: GX 470
Year:
2005
Condition:
Used
Mileage:
121,000
VIN: Not provided
Seller:
Private Party via Craigslist
Location: Bozeman, MT
Details: 7 passenger; 270 hp 4.7L V8; 5sp Auto; Full time 4WD w/ low range; Bronzed like a Malibu tennis instructor.
Asking Price: $13,000

Revolving Garage's Take: The first gen GX is an interesting offering from Lexus as it does not have a Toyota doppelganger that is sold here in the U.S. It is in fact based on the "Prado" SUV sold in Europe and the rest of the world, but not here. Why do we like it? It solves many frustrating problems posed by SUVs in the Toyota lineup: It is just slightly bigger than the 4Runner which is really too small for it's optional third row, it has a thoroughly more potent and modern engine than the boat anchor V6 that powers then 4Runner, while at the same time it has better dimensions for off-roading than the huge Land Cruiser with reasonable width and better approach and departure angles, and a more sane price point. It's a goldilocks.

The 2005 is an excellent choice among GXs as it has a more potent 270hp V8 than earlier models, achieved via variable valve timing. Unfortunately Toyota went and ruined it with the second gen, only releasing the facelifted variant here, which included the "predator face" grill (I think Toyota's chosen nomenclature is "spindle," but let's be honest, that face would be more appropriate in a Central American jungle hunting Dutch, Poncho, Billy, Mac, Blain and Hawkins than trolling the trails of Bozangeles).

This SUV offers Toyota reliability, Lexus comfort, legit off road performance, and seating for 7. I have no idea if it is a popular in other mountain towns, but it has absolutely become a Bozeman Essential. And fairly so.

Offered for sale by private party in Bozeman, MT.
Full link to listing: https://bozeman.craigslist.org/cto/d/bozeman-lexus-gx-470/7301825414.html

3/30/2021
Stored From New: 2017 Honda Civic Type R

The Details

Listing Link: Underriner Motors
Make:
 Honda
Model: Civic Type R
Year:
2017
Condition:
Used
Mileage:
212
VIN: SHHFK8G73HU200954
Seller:
Underriner Motors (Honda)
Location: Billings, MT
Details: 2.0L/306 hp/295 lbft turbo DOHC 16-valve I-4; 6 speed manual; front wheel drive; Navigation; All of the wings.
Asking Price: $38,900

Revolving Garage's Take: The Civic Type R is the hot hatch variant of the tried and true commuter mule known as the Civic. Mule may be unfair, even base Civics are pretty fun to drive. And with 300hp/tq, a totally redesigned chassis, and a delightful manual trans the Civic Type R is a rocket ship with driving performance that has pleased just about anyone who's driven one in anger.  The looks... that's a more divisive subject. But kudos to Honda for being bold. I think. But the real story here is mileage. This one was apparently tucked away with a touch more than delivery mileage three years ago. I'd love to know the story. These plays rarely work out as investments for the seller, but with reports of significant ADM (dealer markups) on brand new ones, this may be a way to fill your life with downforce and suede for a fair price. The listing claims a "retail price" of $46,995, and an offered price discounted to $38,900.  I have no idea where they got that retail price which is far in excess of both the the MSRP when new and present NADA value. But the real metric here is, what would it take to get one in your garage right now? Call your dealer and see what they want for a brand new one, and this price may seem pretty reasonable.

Offered for sale by Underriner Honda in Billings, MT.
Full link to listing:  https://www.underrinermotors.com/inventory/used-2017-honda-civic-type-r-touring-fwd-4d-hatchback-shhfk8g73hu200954 

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